TPS140: An Interview With Billy Buttery II (Offseason)
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The gang at The Produce Stand are joined by Billy Buttery, Director of Photography on Letterkenny and The Shoresy Show.
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Got a super special guest tonight. He's the master of Shadow and light Billy, but trees returned. And we all get to learn how he made. Sure, he look at a site that fresh produce stand there. That's a beauty. What do you listen to my favorite murder podcast? Tagging turns pod, guess the produce stand f****** sexy. It's thirsty. Thursday. And that means we are once again. Hanging out the produce. Stand podcast paying tribute to everything in the universe. Not you think there are many other podcast water Kenny out there, but this one is the only one Billy buttery listens to. And that's in his own words. I am Ali your host and joining me in the room is always lovely tenure and online. We have squirrely. Matt the Vagabond Victor and joining us tonight. He is a veteran of the Canadian film and television production. He's worked on notable films such as the gate National Lampoon's, senior trip in jigsaw, but his television work is even more impressive with shows like Forever. Knight Relic, Hunter slings and arrows to kink in my hair. The Listener and Act. But, of course, we all know him as a Director of Photography on both, Letterkenny and Shore. Z, please join me in making some noise for Billy, but tree wondrous. Oh, my gourd, welcome back to the produce stand Billy. Welcome, thank you amazing. Thank you so much. You're coming back on, hey, no problem. I mean, you said you would once Shore he was all said and done. So you're true to your word. And I mean, speaking ashore Z. Well, speak you just came back from Sudbury after shooting season 12 of Letterkenny. So welcome back. Thank you. I hear you went to Sudbury. Yeah. We just missed you by a day you apparently our timing was terrible. Although you would have been too busy. Anyways, to look up from what you were doing, to notice us either that or he would have been Keeps it there. Don't touch that. What are you doing? You wouldn't get that close to me. No, no. Your entourage were to stop this. What they do know there was, there was a whole covid, think they would have been, would have stopped you with covid, you know? Oh, that makes sense. No, no, no. So, even this past September, they Or that strict an if you were on the set. Yes, you were expected to work a n95 mask period and Interiors not exteriors which is a change. Sure what. Okay yeah you don't you want you don't want to jeopardize the whole shoot because somebody you know messed up right? When we were tested three times a week that we were in Toronto so still a still doing that. I still do that don't swallow pills three times a week. I don't think we felt any remnants of that all when we were just in Sudbury in general And even on the Sunday sets like there was no, we don't even see a mask lying around anywhere, which was pretty impressive, but I did see one on the ground in the arena. But yeah, you're right there. I mean, well there's nobody there. The only people who are their greeting us were Cara and Craig. So yeah, there you go. Where were you off to next? You know what your next job is? No. No I am just going with the flow here. Yeah, yeah, happy to be at a Sudbury before winter hits, I barely got out of Sudbury for a winter hit. Yeah, yeah. Apparently Michelle posted some video of snow that hit there like a week later or whatever. Oh, I am sure. Yeah, I was up there. Last December for when we shot Shores into season one, and it was November and it was like snow various. All right, so we can't ask you the obvious question because you won't know or if you do know, you can't answer but All waiting on pins and needles for the announcement of season two assures. It's got to be coming right since company coming. This is how I got it, but I got a fade, um, on that way. Okay, that's fine. That's fine. But anyway, you know, so I know, they know this already but everyone's really excited and can't wait for that announcement to happen. So I think I am been great when they make it official. Yeah. So the sooner the better and season 12, I mean the season 12 of Letterkenny that kind of felt like I was out of the blue because when we were planning our trip up there, we had no clue what was Happening. We were all summer long. We said we're going to go in September and then when I emailed the production company to say, hey, we're going to be up there. They're the ones were like, oh, you should come out and visit us. So and incidentally. It's a day after everyone leaves. So they rolled out the red carpet for us. Yeah, kind of do whatever you want. No one's here. It was wonderful though. Yeah, it really was. Yeah, we had a great time and hopefully I will have a video of our shenanigans on YouTube sooner, rather. And later, I just been to really too busy for, you know, with work. But again, thank you for joining us. And if anyone wants to listen to our first interview with Billy, you should, you should look back. I should have written down what episode that was. But anyway, look back in our archives and you can learn all about Billy's background in television and film tonight. He's back here because he promised he'd come back to talk about Shore Z. So that's what we're going to do predominantly tonight. So Billy you said, you just recently re-watched, all ashore Z was it in preparation for tonight. And it will bite. Yeah. What was it? Because you said which tuned you like him, right? Because Jimmy was all about him a blur when you filmed it. Sure. And they want color corrected, it was like you're so into the technical details you don't really need to stop and smell the roses. Okay, so was this your first time watching the whole series then without the work lens on probably maybe the second time. But yeah, definitely like the first time I just really went at it. Like just cleaned is listened to it and watched it because I don't listen to dialogue and sad. Only guys doesn't work hands on set. I just like to concentrate on the visuals. Not on what was it makes and that makes sense. Right. Was he with your work? You need that. You have to have your you're working mode. You're in Focus mode. And that's, that's where your eyes are, right? Yeah, totally, totally. So, when you know, last time you were on, you were telling us. You couldn't wait until we watched or Z and you told us it was going to be great. Yeah and you were right and not enough, you listen to any of our reviews and Recaps of shore Z but even Victor loved it. So it was a you know Smash It with all of us. It was a really amazing what boosts patch I said you loved it. What are you talking about, anyway, tone? So Kudos your tone, those Billy. It was really, really good. We loved it. Yeah. It was a change of pace because letter, can I start? It was operator and then moved up to deal piece open. Shirley was my show, right? Yeah. And there was the rule going in from key so that okay, it looks realistic, and we do. Right? Or we don't do it because otherwise you're going to lose a listeners. I mean, the viewers in the first five minutes got to be realistic. So that's really shot for that realism that, you know, like the backstage de corredor, feels like the backstage, right? Like the quarter, hockey rink. You know what I mean? Doesn't it feels like a, what you wear in the real doesn't? Yeah, feels like a real dressing room. It smelt like a real dresser. Yeah. But it was so fascinating to be in the dressing room because, you know, even the walls, everything looks so real. You do make it look real, like your you if that was what you're looking to achieve. You. Absolutely nailed it. Like we were feeling the walls going. Yeah, your set designers were so does this like, it's just, it all. Looks so real. Yeah. Well, that's the whole idea, right? And later like a real dressing room. That's not like a beauty lighting. Like you know about a GQ fraction shoot, you know, it's like it's supposed to look like in her like Ocarina. Yeah. Well I was most blown away it's weird because it's the simplest set but Matt's office. Yeah just I went right up close to. The what looks like cinder block and painted over like a million times and everything down to like paint splotches, you know, because it's been painted over and over again over, you know, after decades and Decades of repainting, it's all there and it but it's just wooden plastic there's plaster I In there's no, there's no concrete. It's amazing. Yeah. Well that's what they do, right? Yeah. That's the art of it. But, I mean, how long does it take to build a cell a? So, if you're coming in to shoot, I forgot, when Shores, he was, I feel like it was in an in March or something like that of last year. Jersey was like, we shot in November last year. Oh, November owes, Letterkenny 10 and 11 those in March. But okay. So if shooting happens in November, how earlier this set, guys, They're building those sets like a month, before month a month? It depends on it. You know, you can do it last of you, it's all more people at it, right? But usually about a month before we get a hand into the light it and you know right light it which usually on that show like that happens like the same day or that you know one day cream on it and then you go at it right? Well I imagine with let special with covid and stuff like that. You probably you're probably not all in the studio when that's all happening you're coming in after it's all been. Built right? We go will appear. Well it's being built because we start doing surveys. So I will get sent plans whatever. What if there's a new set but quite often we do see it. When it well it's being built, and then we will go in that, you know, few days before. And look at it, when it's done, you know, you do you have say and how it's built for lighting and four for four different sections that you need? Yeah. Yeah. I love to see like that one wall is removable. The locker rooms that I guess you can stick cameras there, right? Like yeah, well or that wall actually becomes the day outside Corridor and that's office. Yeah, it's a dual-purpose, right? It's a Transformer, it's amazing. Those guys are so talented and I guess they don't get a lot of recognition. But how, how, many of that are people who work on television and film, or versus like, just regular contractors, who are following, you know, Like, how many of those guys are artists and how many of them are tradespeople? Well, this case people in the film business, but me, I don't know. I think up north is probably a little different from in Toronto but I think generate at least your head person is from the, you know, from the business. They understand that. Yeah. Second instruction end of it and not you know, you're not building a house that's going to last 300 years. It sure. Could it's a film set. Someone like plaster. It's functional. Sturdy. You know, will you have a walls flying things? Were to make it accessible for. Yeah, but cameras and things. Right. Do you have it? It's like you were filming in the, I guess, the kitchen set of Letterkenny. Yeah, whole Corner opens up. You probably didn't realize that the corner behind Wayne. Oh, yeah. Hinges. Right open. Oh, that makes sense. That you can have like a shots facing the opposite way facing Michelle, right or wrong or the counter front of Michelle that whole part rolls right out of the stage role friend. Out of the way. That's amazing. Didn't catch that. No. Well, I would whole thing goes outside the wall. So just yeah. We are to enthralled by the empty cupboard. Yeah, what color is there? No cover. It's just yeah, you open the door and it's like flat. There's wood babysitting, forget food in the freezer, we check. Just to make sure although we do have we have Wayne's pot roast recipe. That was my other friends. We are Not to try that recipe. You know I still think we need to make this is validated this recipe for Billy. Do you have like a preference to whether you are working off of a set or whether you're working on location like in like because originally it was all in, you know, the skids basement or it was at The Farmhouse and now you have the sets for it. So what is there a preference from one or do you, you know, do you enjoy working in one place over the other? So I think the flexibility of a set is a big Advantage because you can put things over the top, you can fly walls, you can, you know, you have control of it, where you with it, with the actual building, which you don't always have the ability to build your, you know, it cost too much to build as opposed to just renting it for a couple days, but not be. I do. Like I said, better. Yeah. More flexibility more. Yeah, for sure, especially, we're going to the same place over and over. Now, I was always saying what were their like when we got in the arena, And of course, they turned on the house lights, team. Let us see it. And I was and then I put it together. Like that's not how you would do this. Those lights would all go off in your Wigwam on. It would love buzzing sound that room during a set. Like when everything else is often, you have taken control. I bet it's a very different experience in that space. It's a different experience at the arena lights are only on for lunchtime. You know, are for work. Once my, let us go on that side, kill the house, you know, like all that crap goes off. I guess everybody has to go dead silent too because that would just echo or transfer into the space. Oh yeah. That those microphones to, but picks up a flight for, I mean, you got. Wow, he's so cool. I would love to see, like a video of behind the scenes on how it's made because like, it's just, it's so amazing. It was, it was incredible. Just to be in that set. Yeah, it was. It was impressive. That was impressive work. So you're here to answer some Questions from us, but also some of our listeners have submitted to a few questions now, you know, obviously answer what you can and I will try. I will try not to ask anything. I don't think you can answer but here we go. Our first one is from our buddy agent, very different and unique. Look between the two shows was there any sort of direction from key? So on direction or feel of what he wanted? For shores of you? You kind of mentioned it a bit more like you already said more realism. But what specifically like I felt like Was a different color palette on the two shows, like more greens, and reds, and Letterkenny and more blue. And Shores is that like the kind of stuff you guys look for a little bit? I think we the art direction is definitely different. Yeah, I think the shores you need to feel a little cooler, a little Bluer because of the nature of the Beast is more of an ice show. Okay? So kind of let it that way, but yeah, I just think it's more its combination of the art Direction and the director and the photography that makes it. I know what you're saying. Jersey has a different look, a just I wanted to make sure that it did not look like Letterkenny to, right? Like it just couldn't look the same. They couldn't her OD'd wouldn't work, right? Yeah. Well, it was great. I would say, what I would say is, you could 100% tell that it was by the creators of Letterkenny, but by no means was it Letterkenny. And generally, it had a completely different, feel, look, everything and congratulations on it. By the way, it really? I re-watched the whole thing again, over the last few days, As and I just f****** love it. Like it's but thanks so much fun to watch and I love some of the like the different things you did like from your perspective, did you have any like, because there's a lot more creativity in this than their wild than I thought, from what I could see from the shot selection. Did you have any like favorite scenes or shots that you executed that you're like? That was just a real fun one to do that. To do to what you remember? I don't know. I love the exterior. Sudbury Arena stuff with Laurence Olivier. Always really funny. You like, it was just beautiful and it was just cool and that was, that was a lot of fun doing that. And we did it for a minimalist, like, literally, it's like three lights. Yeah. Oh yeah. And it was a lot of fun. The whole thing was a lot of times, it just gives her an experience, you know, I remember K. So saying I in his apartment set which was a real apartment because, you know, we won't build a set for one show, right? And he's like, and he's like, it's great. Great. It looks like a sitcom, and I am like Great. Sitcom said he's, that's what I will fix that. So it's like what you know my whole thing is that it can't look like it's funny, it's comedy, but it can't look like a sitcom. It's not realistic, right? Yeah, on Livestream case. He's asking someone asked him about slow-mo please, I can't believe. I forgot that. Okay, so slow motion, I mean, it's used a lot in Letterkenny. It's used even more. I feel like in ensure Z you mentioned before, like, you use that good. Different speed film and all that kind of stuff for the slow motion shots. Sorry just constantly shooting with slow motion in mind, or is it still like in the script before you guys shoot it? It's, it's usually in descriptor for certain types of scenes that would go 60 frames a second and just slow it down, you know, a little bit. You know, there is a couple hundred frames per second shots. I think ensure Z, but I think it's generally 60 frames a second, you know, just slow it down. Yeah, well, that was the mic. Christine shot in 60 frames per second. What, what? What the penis? Yeah. How does everyone keep it together when that's happening? Well, it's obviously a closed Set. Let us see. We have a question here from Mike Benelli for Billy. Oh, yeah. So this is for you, Billy, obviously. And now that we have peek behind the curtain courtesy of Al and the Gang, I wasn't Artist said to light and which is the easiest. Okay, that's a good question of the sets in the, in the studio, they're unsure Z or well in general. The ones that are in the studio that because we kind of showed everyone, the kitchen, the skids basement knots office, and the locker room, which one of those is the hardest to light. It depends on type of seen how much you wanna move around? I mean, that's, you know, the whole same old story, right? But I don't know, I mean the skids is kind of fun because you get to play with stuff and you're all over the place because every time you go in there, it's dress different or you just a scene or you take the chairs move here. Okay. Let us put the chair over there. Right. So it's a constantly evolving scene, so it's kind of fun. I don't know if one's easier than really than the other. Okay, we will take it outside. Then, I mean, Daytime Nighttime, snow. No snow. What, what are you bother watching? You know, Deuces floating by I don't know, I think they're all. I like nighttime a lot. You know, my years of Lady night, I like the nighttime stuff in short scene was see, you know, some more within Letterkenny, but I think that the nighttime is kind of challenge is fun for me. Daytime is kind of more you get screwed by the clouds in the sun, you know, it's more, it's more of a what it, what is it going to happen today? You know, I think oh yeah, yeah, it was more pain. Parent, especially in when we were at the farm, and we opened the tractor shed and just the difference between being outside and inside, how dark is? Yeah, huge difference. Yeah, yes, that's immediately. What I thought we were like, oh I wonder how he likes this. Because, I mean, when Wayne standing up top, like, when we tried to take a photo and you could barely see how they had to have some big lights inside, that barn or whatever it was, or the hanger to get him lit up so you could then get the contrast rate. Absolutely. Absolutely, to get the ratio of any and all dependent if there's if it's morning. So with the Barnes frontlet which is a nightmare, all right? It's you know, the Barnes back at the afternoon, then it's a little easier because you just got to light up the inside, not to the same level. The outside is not pretty with the plan, right? It's still mind-boggling to me how you hide all of that in the camera shot. Yeah. That's the art, right? That's the art of it. There's the magic. Oh, we were talking about some of your fears, most Good shots to do. One comes to mind. Ensure Z was I really high up shot in the arena when wide one the really wide one, it stays that wide for a long time when Shores, he is taunting the captain from the other team to come at him. I mean that's a we would talk about all the unique shots you guys do on Letterkenny. And sure, that one there is I feel like it's, well, it's kind of Brave to have one that long that wide So many things could go wrong, right? Like first of all, how do you set that up that high up? Well, we actually went up in the booth. She surveyed like weeks before and put like if you look at the cut of the shot with their you know, the Jonathan Torrance and Jacob tourney playing sports Casters in the booth, right? You will notice there's a camera behind them on a tripod but I supposed to be that camera. Oh, okay. Actually up in the rafters in the video booths where they send the Wolf Cross, you know. I am right. Running the side of the Arena, you're on. You see the most asked over your head, you know, so are you up there that high with the camera, then I go up to set it up but now I am at the monitors. I mean, I tell them where I want to but I don't say that with the camera down at the monitors, which is down at ice level with Jake, you know. And it was something like that. Is there any additional special lighting going in that? Are you mainly relying on the house lights for something like of that size? Oh, I did a little something with the arena. Yeah. Our later shutdown, all submarine to like that one. And where did that light come from? Just beside the orchestra, you know, just off camera? That's a good thing. It is basically a, I do supplement. Yes, absolutely, it's a great shot. It's a very, very memorable shot for sure. It's very moving. Yeah. Okay. We have a question here from Tobias, and he's wondering if you have heard from kailani Rose and you have any updates on her condition, Last time I heard she's doing well, I haven't talked to her personally right? You know people who have, and she's doing well, and she's, you know, she's such a sweetheart. Yeah she really is such a sweetheart of a girl, and so I hear she doing well and that's good. I have seen she's posted a bunch of videos on her Instagram and looks like she's, you know, well, on her way to a full recovery and yeah, shows a lecture right? Enjoy every minute. Yeah, exactly quick. On that, on the note, I am going to spin off that one a bit, you know, whatever. We have talked to a form Letterkenny, including yourself, there was such a close tight-knit, almost family environment, among cast and crew did that same Vibe transfer into Shore, Z with a brand-new cast, and maybe some new crew, I don't know if you guys used all the same people but Wizards that same sense of real commitment and love from everyone that came out to make it, absolutely, it's just Silly. Same thing. It's a family. It's, you know, it's a different set of actors. You said, well, yeah, it's a whole new group of people but a lot of the crew is the same, okay? So a lot of us have previous, you know, judgments and then you know back together. And yeah so no new Casper. It all carried on the same. Yeah, it's great. I feel like I could be wrong because you know, we started covering Letterkenny later but I feel like there are many more amateur actors on the shore Zeke. Aston there were on the Letterkenny cast. First of all. Is it my right on saying that or where they're like? I don't know. Amateur actors people who are predominantly hockey players before their actors and maybe this, this might be their first time acting or, you know what I mean? Well, you can teach someone to act which can't see someone to play hockey. Sure. Yeah, no, I get it, I understand. Yeah, he shows right. Is it, they get all of that and then f****** looks terrible and, you know, when you skate and That's not believable at all. Oh yeah. I mean you can teach someone you can do more takes and work on their acting a little bit if they got us but you can't teach 20 years of hockey skills. Absolutely. You know you're right has to cancer? Yeah, it's the perfect answer and that kind of leads me to one of the other scenes that stick out my head and that's during I forget who they're playing, but they plan out a play and then you show it. And the way you show the go happening was Exactly the way it was like laid out in the plan, but I just love the way you guys showed it. Like, I have seen a lot of hockey movies and usually, it's just chaos on nice really quick Cuts because hockey such a weird sport to shoot, but you guys showed that play perfectly like from the saucer pass to JJ getting it at the Blue Line and take. It was just really well done. Like first of all, how long does something like that take is that one day or is that a few days and that scene We flip stupak and Frankie J's kitchen with. Yeah. Oh that's an hour. What? Come on? Come on. Really, that's not a tough scene know. It seemed like they write. It felt like there was so many like things that could have gone right. And I guess that's where you know if you have a hockey players and pocket catching on States was like three takes no I don't like but the whole like okay winning the faceoff back then there's a bunch of stuff that happened in between one two. Yeah, we are at the most an hour really? Well, you just doubled his quote. There you go. Still, I mean that's impressive, and I am wondering if you know, I think of like Mighty Ducks movies or whatever or mert Miracle on Ice or the that Alaska hockey movie Whatever whether they, you know, some of those shots, how long they took our hockey movies, Youngblood is a hockey but you don't, you know what I am saying? Victor, they will like some of those movies where Are there trying to represent hockey or the frenetic pace of hockey and all they're doing is cut after cut. And you really you don't really see what's happening, right? Whereas that shot there, I thought did a really good job of showing everything that was laid out. You know what I mean? Tell us a story. That's what comes out to write telling the story. Exactly. Yeah, no, no. I think no one's ever going to be a pocket. So what about being the pocket Parks angle, you know. And it's like, just tell the story. Yeah. Yeah. And now I think we're getting there. You're right. A lot of things. They almost get too close to the action. Yeah. Just becomes absolute chaos and maybe that's what they're trying to sell in those moments, right? Whereas you kept the right distance so that we could still follow along with what was happening or it's the difference between having actors or hockey players. There you go too correctly. So they're at where the can't really play hockey. What's his name was a Jamie Foxx who played a Ray Charles he could do it, and they could show him playing the piano because he knew how to play the piano as opposed to show it cutting away. From somebody's hands and showing the actor back and forth or whatever. Right. Exactly. So on that it on the, on the hockey scenes, how much shooting happened versus the guys, just messing around on the ice and key. So trying to get one past Terry Ryan, like why they were pretty disciplined when it came down the rock is that a lot of it was choreographed by the stunt coordinator and skiing, but they would have certain ideas for certain place. But, you know, I think he was on the ice a lot too because he played Georgie obviously, right. Yeah, but now they're pretty, they're pretty disciplined. They know they can't you can't screw around with the pocket? I guess. I took a part in the Hook-Up, dolo give me a hit in the foot of the puck, and he feels so bad about it, and I am like, dude don't make a worry about it but the Rio you buy you beer by your beers One Source, everyone's game. And that's right. No there's a general rule shooting hockey because they need power play to and stuff. You don't you can't let people shoot Parks? You don't kill. Have a bucket of pox on the edge because you there mentally going to start taking stop trusting. Someone's gonna Yeah, you don't want that it's too tempting, right? Look, you tempt. So you keep the puck away from the, the players. Exactly. So did you know, going into Shore Z? How you wanted that to look having the experience once already with, or I don't know how what your experience is with hockey and shooting those scenes. But did you kind of have a feel already for how you wanted that those to look? Or, is that something that was Requested, you know through key so know and it's a lot of like a Buddhist discussion and the surveys how we want things to look. You know, like we'd be co-opted you know what the style should be you know like we had means and that's what I do prep and you know surveys and but generally a lot of it happens on the day but I think we're pretty much done the same page how things should look so like shots. So somebody, you know. Alright, we have a question here from another one from Dubai? Sudbury. The city is essentially a character in Jersey in what ways in ways that it isn't in Letterkenny because Letterkenny obviously doesn't take place in Jersey or in Sudbury. Why did the shift occur and how does that change staging of the shots or scene? So I guess what? He's getting at it because chores he takes place in Sudbury. You can openly say, hey we're shooting Sudbury. This is Sudbury supposed to Letterkenny. You have to be kind of like dodgy about shooting something and it's not obviously Ri right? Yeah. Totally had it be more. It was it to more rural show, and they would go into the big city, you know, to do some things, you know? Yeah, well in being a librarian, it's like inside very, you know, like the people that the architecture, you know, that called feel of the town which I love, I love Sudbury. You know, it's a fun place. It was my first time up there and it's an interesting place with a lot of character for sure. Absolutely character and characters. Yes. Absolutely. We definitely visit on your into. Yeah. Well, we went and visited some of the original locations from like the early seasons of Letterkenny, like, the convenience store, and stuff like that. And they have definitely seen better days probably since when you guys originally shot. So yeah. Oh absolutely. We don't even go to that store anymore. Well, they have painted the wall, it's not gray. Yeah, I know that. Yeah, but that's the whole bar be cited. You know, is she Shut down, right? It's kind of yeah, it's in disrepair spot. Yeah. It's a very special spot with some special characters and patrons. Yeah, we were, we felt a little unsafe when we were over there, but it's still cool to see ya. And it's weird because there's like, three distinct sets. In that one parking lot, really? That's because you have the, the where all the skids did all the dancing, then you turn around and there's the back of Bodines where they come out. And, and when you first has mode means wanna buy. Yeah. Exactly. And then the front of know Dean's and then across the streets, the Corner House. We're building. Yeah. It's all very, very cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's quite that a great the neighborhood. Now I am gonna get a good taco place nearby to. Yeah, yeah. Totally. So this next question might be a little unfair, but I am interested to find out what your answer is to this. Can you Billy you can only do one Letterkenny or Z which one? Oh, that's not fair and I do wine. That's not really fair. But yeah. Yeah. Its new right? It's exciting. It's fun. Yeah. And it's my baby. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah there. Yeah. Cause you're Your DP from the beginning. Yeah. All right. You know what? That's I think that's a good answer. I don't think your disparaging Letterkenny B. Answering that went wrong. I love letter Kenny's a good like my wife called him when I go up north east, like, you know, you're going up to Camp again. Yeah, exactly. People have known forever like this, 2015, we start shooting it. So I know when these people, these doctors has watched him. Grow up Haley. Wow. Absolutely. I guess you haven't cause it's been what since 20 with 2015 2016, something, right? Started and a lot of these actors are young. So, yeah, that would have been really young when you started. They were really young when they all have like, why was and bring it up now? Yeah, Letterkenny answers wants to know what your favorite scene that you have shot and the most difficult scene that you shot that. Let us stick to shore Z Can you think of? Yeah, did most difficult scene? Yeah, but challenging, I don't know. Technically, challenging or visually challenging. Mmm. That's a tricky one. I don't know if he's really challenging more challenging than the other things I should say his apartment, which was interesting. Yeah sure. She's apartment. Oh, cause it to be pretty small if it's a real apartment to be pretty small but real apartment was he was cute interesting to shoot because, you know, the light level shift outside and inside was like, wow, you know, huge. I don't know if there's really, I mean more and more night stuff on Shore Z which is always fun. I don't know if anything's really harder just different I mean at this point in my career is nothing is really harder, right? It's like, if you want to do it in this amount of time amount requires these children anymore, or I need a lift her and dijkstra guys here when you do on the surveys. So you just got to figure it out. What about the pilot final shot? And the final episode, The jaf to kind of shut the whole street down or oh Coffee Town and it was snowing is beautiful and then the snow was coming down and was like, hey Can't you can't buy this? I was gonna say, how do you, how did you plan that or was it by act like that? It did you see? It's those it quickly. Let us go set up, like, I don't know what we'd planned, and we actually moved to the head. There's a long story. We bumped into the pump today, we're going to shoot it and you know, that's not the last seen. The last thing we shot. You know, I am going to Sudbury, but it's night, we're going to finally do it again. Okay, we have the permits to shut the street down. Everything is in, you know, all the Ducks are in a row and everything in it. Is it just snowed that purple beautiful, like, like Fluffy? Yeah, but it's your look good. Yeah, it was great left. Amazing. The other one that comes to mind when we're with. That was the back of the barbecue. Seen the barbecue. It's no doubt that. Yeah. And I am like that, that's real snow. So no, you can't fake that. I have done fast. So it doesn't look like that. Yeah, it just doesn't. Were you guys talking to? Should we not shoe right now or hell? Yeah, we should I shoot. Well, it's going okay. Yeah, I guess the only reason there's you running to Continuity issues. If it suddenly stops well, you just shoot fast, right? Yeah, it was supposed to snow all day. So is that a few hours? It wasn't a huge, you know. Yeah, you spend it. But we won't. You went outside. We concentrate on that. And then, then shot the inside. Was like, they're gonna shoot the outside now. It's knowing, you know. Yeah, take advantage of the Mother Nature's gift to know. Is that one of those things effort flipping over to Letterkenny being in the arena? We heard that there's Noise a lot on the roof and you have to when it's raining or anything like that. Do you have to stop everything and wait for it to be over them? No, it's raining. Right now, if it's raining really hard, they have to ADR the dialogue because you can hear it in the wind young, you know, they can always fix the sound in post. How can you it? IDR means they record the lines later. Like okay, yeah. Don't you get do you see original shot it as a guy track and then when I say cut it they will go back in the universe sound booth. And we do the mines. Oh wow. Yeah, that's probably not preferable, though. You don't want to be doing too much of that do, you know, you don't but it happens. It just it happens, you know, maybe where you think I remembered shooting on, what would Sal do. And we were shooting right across the street from the Montreal Bistro in Sudbury, where it's been, where we are, is right now. Yeah, it's like you know, College learning. I went for Audio Visual Communications night that was, I remember that trying to sink voice to recorded video. Yeah, well the hardest thing that we have to do. Yeah. Oh absolutely it. Is there anyone who's got any half of a knight? You can see you in that audio. Is that a sink? Even if it's only a fraction you just is something about it. Feels on feels off. And you're like, that's just not jiving, right? So it's all things are also different now, right? I mean, you know, when I was doing it in the 90s, the transition from analog to digital was just starting to happen. So, you know, they all the kind of old fogies at that time. They said you're going to have to learn analog and you're gonna have to learn how to splice tape. You're gonna have to learn this that, and the other. And so, so we had that kind of added advantage or disadvantage of kind of being able to be learning on both kind of modalities. But now I imagine it's easier. It's All Digital now. Aw. Yeah. I am -a working on a, in college, working on a fully soundstage 100 and 100 track consoles with the big screen and the movies playing, and we're like watching it with like doing footsteps with their hands and all about like all the fun sound effects and timing it out properly and stuff man. Thank God it's digital now because that took forever. Yeah, totally. But I always thought how cool would be to be a foliar. It was fun. It was fun for sure. They give our final Was two minutes of Silent, James Bond footage, and we had to fill in all of the audio and holy crap. The things you don't think about, you know, the firing guns inside outside a helicopter inside outside the dropping of the shells. The it was a skiing scene. So there's like snowmobile. Yeah, it was crazy. It was just unbelievable. Most guys are most guns are done post anyways, because we have done far too loud. Yeah, just doesn't work. Yeah, so see, use it as a cue and put in their own sound anyways. Question here from let us go. Well Trace. We were kind of talking about this before but how much consideration has to be taken for the snow? Does it change how you light or shoot it the shooting in falling snow present, any difficulties shooting and shooting in snow is just got to be aware of lighting because if you start throwing light around any of your front later, it's going to look like more than there is if you're back late. It's going to look like more than it is so it's just like you just deal with it. More side, lady more. I don't know. It's no one, the guy's not a big deal you to get more bounce off the ground. Yeah, I have been on shows. We put our graduated in the, in the bottom of the cameras. And at the top, we put in the top to control the sky, put it in the bottom. To take the snow down a little bit on a bright summer day. On a great winter. Damn you. So, but not really, you know, you can't really go with just a straight at plan of what to do because it especially with location. It changes, but time you look at it. Just assume it's going to be the exact opposite in your eyes if no occasion. Right? That's always a good rule of thumb, bring all your lighting. If it's gonna look with Coley dry sunny day assume, it's going to pour honey, right here, ready for anything. You ready the glare off of snow? To is like it's blinding so that must be tricky and itself. Well, you have a filter called a polarizer, Singapore, right now, I am glad day when you actually dial in how much reflection you want to know? Are you actually adjusted to see? Through a front windshield of a car or not see through it. If you want to wait or do you want it black? Or do you want it? Do you want to see to it? You don't want to see through it. That's all done with a polarizer, filter camera on the lens. So I am just gonna have the technology to him. I just feel like you're a magician, I just experienced just an old fart, you know, Aaron asks, how much do scenes change from storyboarding to post-production and any that stand out in terms of the biggest changes? So you get the Or the storyboard and then you get on location and maybe some key. Silver. Tyranny says, let us do something different. How often does that happen? And yeah, can you think of like maybe the most drastic example? I was at the time. Yeah. All the time. What? Because you can't come up with a better idea. I think. I think that people go in that, if you're going with a prefix notion of how he's posed to do it, then that's not always the best notion, sometimes, you to see things you go. No, let us do that over here or let us do that over here. I think just to be flexible and Go with what those two want and then trying to deliver them you know it's like I try and light sets to be ready to jump to 60 frames in a heartbeat because I don't know if they're going to say to me. Okay. F***. You know what? It's just do, 60 frames here, so I don't want to have to rely on to set. So, I try to take that in consideration. When I originally like to set, you know, it just to be prepared for inevitable change because you don't want to be the one to say. No, you can't do that. Or yeah, you can do that. But that's going to take me. So much longer. Like there are times you go into a set where you have an idea and it just totally changes what you, what you talked about. So you just have to be willing to go with the flow and change it up. No, you can't be hard to set on what you thought was going to hell. You go jump up and when I have a tantrum, no, I will hold your breath, no Jared. What we talked about. You got to be able to go with the flow. You have an idea, you'd be prepared for everything. But yeah, she's probably gone with the flow, right? Especially when you guys are shooting. As tight as schedule as it seems like you do. And as quickly as you do, right? You kind of have to take. What's given to you? Hmm. Yes, exactly. Exactly. You can't you got to work the, what's giving you two? All right, cool, here's an interesting one. This isn't about Letterkenny or Shore Z, but basically our buddy, Stephen, he asks in your opinion. What's the most visually beautiful stunning? While shot movie or TV, show that you have seen? Like, I mean, I am sure you know, doing what you do, you have probably seen a lot, so what would give us some good ones? Oh, geez. I don't know. It depends on what you're looking for and everyone has their own taste. My personal appeal is that shows that they show dark by just being no exposure at all, like it, literally you're closing the curtains in your living room going. F*** it. I know there's some actor. They're out there some anything by DC I believe is like yeah, you're going to me. Lighting should be invisible. Like if you're noticing the lighting unless it's Specific effect then you're taking away from the acting. All you're trying to do is a cinematographer or you know as a gap harassment for many years. Doing the lighting is put the actors in the mood in a scene where the viewer believes that they're watching what they're watching, you know, like to me it being at when I operated for somebody, if I got a tear in my eye watching an emotional scene with an actor, I know is a good performance because if I believe them, then you would have been a viewer would believe them. Invest in it, you know what I mean? Like it shouldn't feel like oh, they're doing this, incredible scene, but it looks like a supermarket, it was supposed to be in a bedroom. You know what I mean? Okay, well, look, can you even enjoy TV shows or movies and that way we're just gonna say like are you always just technically looking at it from a form your standpoint this caramel just say shut the f******. Billy come on. Yeah. Let me ask it this way then is there other than Tierney? Because obviously he's the greatest director on the planet. Yeah. Is there a director whose work? You appreciate, you know, above others. Um, I don't know. I mean, I was lucky enough to work with Delbert man. Who shot a movie won? An Academy Award for best director movie called. Marty in Lawrenceburg 9, 1959, whatever. And, you know, he was just a gentleman, you know, you just new you knew how to tell a story to me, that he taught me a lot like him. Then the deal P. Was, you know what shot that's do? India had nominated for an Oscar girls who operated Doctor, Zhivago, Lawrence of Arabia. And wow, yeah, those are pretty serious, dudes. When I was a young, you know, was a young buck you, I was in 30s I guess thirties. So I mean I learned a lot from people like that for you were in you run across people who are really together. I am lucky ran across that turning keys do. At this point in my career being, you know, in order filmmaker, let us face it the run across guys, I got that are actually filmmakers to them in the storytelling. It's like, oh, how refreshing is this? Yeah, you know, like it's like, oh my God, people that aren't full of themselves. Like they just like, let us just there're no egos involved like this. Make the best possible thing we can, you know. Yeah. Well Do you need certainly feel like real passion project so you can watch you watch your Z or Letterkenny. There's nothing out there that compares in terms of look and style and feel. Yeah to those whose like they are truly unique. Yeah. Always lost. Matt Frozen. As I say, that's another reason. People are so drawn to them is because they're so truly, you truly unique, right? And it's true. Yeah, we try not to do what other people are doing. Right lead. Follow or get out of the way, right? Yeah. So it feels like I mean you're more pragmatic about your approach with shooting and stuff so you don't get too precious with things but another question that's diva-ness. Was there a shot that you wanted that? Maybe you got nixed or specific shot that you're proud of? Can you talk about anything like that onshore Z? We're specifically chosen e Um not really. I like to 360 Steadicam shot around the rink. With the two girls go around and you will crawl around the whole rank when the bombs are getting your seats. Hmm, around the whole rink. That's a fun shot. Okay, that when they walk out, and then they kind of turn around and yeah, get all end ground but the camera goes all the way out and comes back around and ends up on them back again. I got one shot to do. Okay, lots of stuff is good. I really like to suffer Lawrence LaBeouf up out in front of the Sabrina was, which one would you go around and face and back in on his me, back in on her? That was fun. The whole thing is a lot of fun, you know? Hmm, we should stuff. You never see ya, right? Well, that's so. Is there one in particular maybe that you wish that made the cut that we really know? I mean, it's the choice. You know that maybe takes you like better certain things, but I think that ultimately make the right choice. Yeah, another dude, I mean you don't everything you shoot doesn't end up in the show. Sure. Course, another shot that I really well. I think we all universally loved is the prison yard scene and yes, that's, you know, that's kind of bringing some Letterkenny practice there because it's a very symmetrical scene. And from last time you were on, you talked about how you guys love symmetry, but even just like the shift in Focus so you can see through the fence and all that stuff. Like it's very nice. It's a really well-done shot. Oh, thank you very much. Cold that morning. Yeah, Rita shovel out. The mother dolly in the snow. You get across the famous piece of fencing, you know, he's written but it was also that fence wasn't there. You guys put that in? We, yeah, we put a section of fence in. Okay, because we're trying to figure out where that pretty weird like driving around cybergun. Where's that prison? Where did they shoot the prison scene? Oh man, I was reworked the arena. I thought so the stability. Yeah, I thought so had a couple sec's. You know what, when we were leaving the arena, all that? Yeah. When we're leaving the arena, where, like, I wonder if that was a prison, that looks like the present. Okay, good. The prison our buddy, Jeff. He says Billy does a great job at making mundane things. Look beautiful in artsy like random shots of the city that most people wouldn't think to look at twice, we can attest that because driving around Sudbury, it's surprisingly. Yeah some of those scenes were like, wow what? You know, it's amazing that they thought that this would be a good place to shoot how much of it is in. Is in your eye, like, is actually their, how much of it is camera trickery? You kind of already, you know, talking about that. I think a lot of the establishing shots and big in between shots. Actually shot by my operator Monica good at, okay. When I with a camera, they said, shoot issued, this with our associate producer, Brendan Brady, and they just she just shot it, and she didn't get the credit, it's like manager TLP, which you should have in my opinion. But yeah, she was, she did a lot of the shots and I think she didn't Fantastic job on them. That's right. Yeah, I wasn't they wouldn't drag main unit over that. You kid. It was the same for as the sleepover episode Letterkenny. That's a second unit. Going out at night, taking those, I will sleep over well with the nighttimes. Yeah. Okay. No. That was me. Yeah, I just went off and did that because I was the second crew at the time. This was before you a crew, but I would just disappear for me and unit because it'd be like an occasion where the only one camera. You look, I will just go shoot find some stuff to shoot. Oh cool. So I would have run off of the camera and kind of assistant couple assistants and location guy and go, you know, well Jeff says tell her, she didn't mazing job. Casey says, props to her. So yeah, I mean there's a lot of love for the, for those shots. Yes, here's a question that I really love. Billy is Joey asked, he's listened to enough episodes by now who is his favorite host of the produce stand. Oh, come on. It's all right. Future of a beer on my deck is in promise. I am going to appear on your if he doesn't say Victory, he might run into an angry Victor at the gym but you know what? Victor, I know you might be taller than Billy. As I don't know if you are not but Billy's. One of the few people in all of Letterkenny cast who's actually been in a fight because we didn't we have for photographic evidence. To that true. Oh, yeah, you're broken. Saturday night. No broken fingers. This round on. Charlie's, yeah. Oh, no, no, no teeth marks on my hands. Yeah, we found. I mean, while we were there and if people did notice us with our t-shirts, or whatever, taking pictures and find out, well, first, they ask are you with Letterkenny. We're like, no, we're not. But to a person, everyone was very appreciative of what Letterkenny and Shores have done for the city of Sabri. Yeah. Well, they're really nice people, you know, and we try and be really nice back. You know what I mean? There are the salt of the earth people. Like, I remember being, you know, people waved me through to go to Tim Hortons, you know, like, in the morning, to get my coffee, they're waving me in my car, and I am like, f****** trauma. They be giving me the finger. Oh, I don't you ain't, you know, like in here and there, like, waving you come on, come on, our, they will pay for your coffee. Yeah. You know me, you know, good and bad. Yeah, I was gonna say is that a good thing? Permits are shutting down the streets, right? Billy. You guys have the keys to the city now, right? It's funny. I have achieved people who well you get respect back. Absolutely. Yeah, that's it. It's true. Like I was at like it wasn't hard to find anyone who heads had Added some form of interaction with the production and it's always positive. Even our the lady that served us in Atlanta restaurant. She was a she was on the on one of the episodes. Yeah. It was an extra that did a bit of a stroking motion. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Talking about Dickens background doing this? Yeah, yeah, exactly. She was quite embarrassed to tell us what scene she was in, and then we finally got it out of her. And it was a good laugh. I lose track because that's something we shot two seasons. Right? So, I sometimes I forget, which episodes of are, right? Right? Yeah, yeah. Don't slip Billy don't slip. We're not here to another. We're not here to make you trip. We know that seasonal Evans coming out soon. You don't have to say anything. Okay, here's a question from our buddy, Scott Hebert. He asks your eyes, see the world in a way mine are not trained to so poetic. What's a scene in popular Cinema? Oh, this is kind of like Stevens question that you'd like to educate the TPS masses on, maybe a shot. That I don't understand how technically difficult it was. Yeah, I mean, again back to like what you already kind of mentioned, you know, a director that you know, you looked up to or that you appreciated his work. Can you I mean is there any movie or anything that you can think of is like that's one of my favorite looking films or TV shows? I guess, I mean, I just know. I like something. I do the top of my head. No, I don't have one. I mean, I like the original alien a lot. I like the original Blade Runner a lot as far as TV shows that I mean, that's well started good. It got a little murky by the end, I don't know. I just watched things in real credit on their own value. I know when I don't like something, you know, you want minutes. So it's like, well, that's terrible. Like, that's really badly, like, who they hired working like that, one, did you find? Of actually turning things off that are so poorly done. It like you can't watch it. Oh sometimes I watch him like a slow-moving train wreck. I just can't get any worse. Grab the spatula. Just can't possibly get any worse or watch it. It's like okay, I have to watch it because of a now it's out of my system. Like I have seen the whole thing and you know. Okay I have a quite yeah. There's a train wreck. So I have a question though. So can you watch or do you enjoy watching old films? He's like, yeah, like the Black and Whites the old stuff, do those? Do those bother you because the camera it just doesn't compare to today's technology or advancements and stuff, or do you enjoy it for what it is? Are you doing it for what it is? I think, I think a lot of the skill that has been lost over the years personally, because someone who starred in the film, medium era and then ended up in the digital media. I think night used to be more like I have done a day for night film like That's the oldest. I did it because the a essay on the ISO, on the old film surface so slow that you had to do things day for night or you just didn't get an exposure, just couldn't possibly have enough light and us here in the studio. So I have done movies like that like day for night and you don't see, Sky need to stop Saunders, and they're both black and white. And I did it with color film like a mohawk and Randy Quaid. But I think a lot of the old ways of showing night is really changed. And now it's just Post things down, right? Because if latitude of digital cameras like seven stopped or nine stops so it's like you can just take things right down to nothing but I think that's kind of been. Lots of little bit. Probably go, let us go filmmakers. You know what was that? I think. What's up Bruce Willis? They did that black and white Jesus was it like in need, oh, Sin City's. I did not Sin City. I am thinking. No, no, I remembered that the last man, The move the show he did with Cybill Shepherd. Oh, good lighting, lighting. There was a black-and-white episode of that. Yeah, actually. I just watched that. So yeah, Trevor risk. And I were at we're doing it having the back and forth on Twitter, and we were talking about Moonlighting and that triggered me and had to go back and watch the original episodes and gonna cool guy. Bruce, by the way, he Bruce Willis. Yeah, it's kind of sad. What's happened to him now but it is? Yeah. Anyway, Moonlighting is still a fun show and I think it's in the pilot or the second. So, whatever is a very young Tim Robbins and it's kind of hilarious to see some of these actors in those early shows. But yeah, the black and white. Was it Hudson Hawk or something like that? They're blocking like, maybe. Yeah. That rings. A bell. Bruce Willis. I don't know. Yeah, I know. Hudson Hawk rings a bell, for sure. But I remember him coming up to me on the shooting and reds, and he's like don't hate quick? You know any Russian I am like. Yeah. And that's watch with all these look to be right, laughing, right? He's great. I think device says, it's Last Man Standing. That's what I was thinking. I don't know why, I remember it. Maybe the whole movie or part of it was in black and white. I could be wrong. It's been a long time. But anyway, brought back a memory. Partial memory. Super nice. Climb super nice guy. You know, what did you work on with him? I remembered you were working on a show called counter shake with Chris Palmer. You way back when I was a governor on and Chris plumber was the lead and two were shooting it in Yorkville, and we're having the Toronto had the All-Star Game baseball. We're shooting in Yorkville and Michael J. Fox Walks by, and he's half, you know, in the bag, and he says, hey, can I was want to push the dolly? Can I push the dolly said that? Like a nice to share our f****** has pushed to die. So he turned his head around backwards and gets on the dolly. We just kind of Shield him, so he would probably do't sound right because a dolly shot to keep kind of put my boot on the track team from going right out the end of it and couple takes, and he's like oh it's f****** great. Like that was so much fun and people start to notice who he was, he was. Okay, thanks guys. Like I am out of here and then I work with him years later on designators arrived. Okay, minam of that music. Oh, that's funny. Yeah, you can touch. He was so small, like, he's like a tiny guy. Yeah. Yeah, I love designated Survivor. I don't understand why that show didn't run longer with fun to work on a bunch of days on it. But all right, well I am not a questions, but I want to know, drop some names. Billy it. Come on. It's like you have dropped a Bruce Willis and Michael J. Fox, we were both like two of my favorites. Who else have you worked with that? Would be Like exciting. Good work with. Oh God. Christopher Plummer. I mean that's it. Walter Matthau was out. I love him. Yes. Seven weeks. We Walter Matthau and Harry Morgan and Stephanie Zimbalist on a movie called instant. The small town back. When movie, The Weeks was 35 days, shooting, wow. CBS movie, the week that were pretty cool. Just, yeah, I did you just run into people. You just know people who are famous. I don't know. Helen Mirren. Yeah, a couple ways with Helen. Listen sweetheart, you know. I love Ali. Yeah. And then you go back like any probably people who wouldn't even realize at the time, but you like Jeremy Renner from like seen your drawing low and now he's a big star right? I know it's pretty funny. Is there anybody that you were surprised became a big star like after may be working with them early in their career? That not surprised in a bad way? But you know what I mean? Like or pleased about please that became a big star, I don't know. That bunch of a few women who became like, you know, fairly famous, you know, but I work at them really young when they were young, you know? But I don't know really, I mean, the date, another job on Sat acting is just another job, okay? A, you know if you have you become good at your craft, you have a long career, right? If you don't become good at grab or your hard to work with, you have a short career. So you must be the easiest person to work with because you have got quite the resume. It's amazing. Do you have any fun stories to share with us about Shore Z while you were shooting? I don't know. Without, without, getting yourself in trouble. I mean, the whole thing was it was a really nice experience. Yeah. I mean, I don't really have any specific stories. I mean every it's fun to go to work every day when you're into your job. Like, I had to describe that but your I don't do the same thing in any two days. Every day is different. So I mean, I am the luckiest bastard in the Old, and I weigh it, because I get to go and do different things every day with really talented people, you know? So it's one good thing sitting on my computer program by profession. You know, it's like, oh that's right. I forgot about that. Yeah, yelling is business, here's a great question to end on Aaron on the livestream. She asked if you have any words of wisdom, you can give for somebody who wants to get into the, maybe into the business. Sure, keep your eyes open and your mouth shut. You know, that gets the best way because in any business because you learn from the people who done it long time and you don't know everything, you don't have an opinion. When you start out, you may think you have an opinion. You don't have an opinion. And instead of asking silly questions trying to figure out what someone is doing, the reason someone is doing it. Why they're doing it. And then, if you really can't figure it out by yourself, then ask them at the opportune time, not in the middle of Mayhem. Oh, by the way, why, you know, right, it's like pick your spots but I think that the young filmmakers you spot them a mile away, like you really do, the people just do suppose others, you know, the Time Bandits, I call him, you know, and they will be on the set, and they will just like, ask you don't, they're not, they're not there to make film there. Therefore, the social life to their, because of their filmmaker. And it's like, dude, therefore the status and the Precision there were never going to go anywhere because there's a million of those people. You know, they come and go, I have seen him, so we will go ahead and go over it. Yeah, I was going to just ask You a nerdy question about the industry and especially for those starting out. So there's these, I guess, two main. I don't know if they're called unions or associations, but, you know, there's the National Association of a broadcast television. Anders the other one International Association for stage and the iife, right? So I am just wondering, like, how do you know which one you're supposed to get associated with and, and even with Shores and Letterkenny, like how does house this side at that? Or you're going to have Crews from either this? Noon or the other one. How does that all work? Well, camera is always, I had seen it just period. I had C6 7 which is also known as the international cinematographers golden my member of, if you want to hire a camera crew. Like I have seven people in my crew, for sure. Z. You can't, you can't hire someone who's not a member of a c66, okay? As far as crew members, I am also a member by a see 873, which is film technicians as an x and x kaffir. My son is also a member. Now, I am a wife's remember to of that, but I think if you want to make movies and television shows you have enjoyed seeing if you want to work for the CBC, then you join the National, you know what, their QP or the national searches. But guys if you want to work in TV and film, it's really I add see you know. But do you make that decision or do you just see where your career takes you? I guess that I am just trying to again put my for those young folks out there just getting out of school. Like are you supposed to make a choice or how does that work? Well, you be, if you're going to get work, you have to get permanent, so I would become permanent in my absence. You say, Want to be a props, you know, asset dress, or a front person or a grip or electric or whatever. Everybody be calm person. You join you get it permits T, you know, you putting out case, you get permit e, and then they have to do it like 100 hours before you can become, and then you get voted by other members of your viable to become a member that Confederates. There's a whole process. There is a process are absolutely. And I think people do go to film School are crazy like people go to live you know like Toronto film. Um, Institute, you know, whatever to learn, how to be a spark there. Not since you go to work, just go to work and do learn wake different pros and do blend. You would save yourself 20 grand, right? Brilliant film schools. Just a bunch of watching, movies, right there, save you, 20 grand, you director then, don't go to, go to university. But even if you want to be a director, go to school make films like just do it. Just start you start doing it. I mean, you're not getting any younger. Time to do it is when you're young. Yeah. You know. That's amazing. Matt. You have any other questions? No, not quite sure. I mean, thanks Billy for coming out, man. Congratulations on Shore Z. It's thank you. It really is superb. I, we always joked and I think you listen to a few other things back. We were all I would say skeptical, but hopeful that it was going to be something really cool though, right? Yeah, I mean, look, how do you take a character like, Shores, you knew nothing about just an a******? Ole and then make a whole show about it. So and it pulled off and I remember when we had you and you were very excited about you know what was coming and you kept saying, we're going to make great televisions you truly did and II. Like I said, I binge watch the whole show before times now, and I am enjoying it more every time there're little things. I noticed each time that I catch before and yeah I know the announcement is official. You haven't said anything official. We're all just hoping and assuming it's coming. Yeah, but we can't wait. We can't just keep doing what you guys f****** do. Because it's we love it. There's a whole community that is behind you and just excited to see what you guys do next. Thank you very much, absolutely Victor. You have anything? Yeah. Same, I mean, you know, Shore Z I have learned to love Letterkenny because I was pulled in pulled into kind of this podcast and buy these new Jen's and, and they watch the show and I First I wasn't sure what the hell I was watching and you know, it's a fantastic show, and I am certainly looking forward to the next season, but for me, sure, Z is my jam and it that's I hope that show goes on for, you know, 12 Seasons. It's just absolutely incredible, and I am loving it and I just want to thank you for everything that you have done for the show. Oh well, thank you Dad. Thank you. Genuinely late. Just So amazing to speak with you tonight. Thank you so much for your time and coming out and, and, and sharing all of your just magic with us. Because I am going to call it that it just and my eyes. It's just, I don't know how you do what you do, but you do it. Great. You just truly are amazing. And thank you so many Shores. He's been wonderful to watch. And I agree with what Matt and Victor saying, just can't wait to see more of crossing our fingers that it's going to happen. Thank you. Thank you so much. I agree built by the way. I said that was the last question, but there is an even more important question that just came up in the live stream. Do you use a bowl when you eat a stick? Are you team ball or Noble? I am a noble guy. Attaboy. I don't know why this is still a debate. I know, right? I don't understand debate. We're not children here. It's a yeah, we are. Yeah. Anyway, I Echo. What all my fellow hosts are saying also just so you know I mean you already know how awesome this community is but you may not what you may not know is that there's actually a group of American Shores e fans planning a trip up to Sudbury. This December 1st RZ night, they you don't understand how excited they are to come up to Sudbury. They're coming from all over the place, and they're getting pretty crazy. Yeah, they're meeting in Toronto, and we're going to have dinner with them, hopefully drinks with them before they head up to Sudbury, and it's going to be an amazing time. It's a good time to Sudbury Wolves game. I have been to a few. Yeah, somebody did. Ask is there any possibility that you might be at that game? I doubt it. I mean, I have been against we have with all the cosmic Shores. He went on beans to go in front and Saturday nights like a Friday nights because we didn't Right here. Yeah, because the post play Friday night. Yeah, because we did. So we go on Friday night, they'd, but that's how we get. Sorry Irene is scheduled to be like, Sunday to Thursday. We there for like three weeks. I can attest to that because we came there on a Friday and, and there was a everybody, the streets were empty, we couldn't figure out the streets were empty, and then we walked by the arena. I swear, swear to you, everybody in the city was that Arena active place. Thank you so much, Billy, do you have anything you want to say to the listeners before we? No, not really. I mean all the community I hear you're all fantastic. People really are. I got to know a lot of you to do the Twitter. He my wonderful social media, you know? Think yes. But you know, everyone's great. I am glad everyone's such a big fan of the show, and I am honored that you, you know, I really like my work. I just I am just an old fart. No. You're not. You're a good guy. You're really good guy. Billy. We're going to play us off here with us on that. You pick from Shore Z. This one is called Born to Be Alive by Patrick Hernandez, picturing Shores East and another corner there panting before the brawl. And if he goes, And that's all we have for this episode. Next week, we will be joined by Letterkenny memes herself. Shelly. She's gonna bring some memes, and we're going to place them. Yes, yes, yes, no. That's always a fun time. Don't forget to give our sponsor diabolical coffee, some love, they are at diabolical coffee.com right now, you can use the promo code produce stand for 20% off. Any purchase from this site. If you'd like sports podcast, rate US on Spotify or become a patron. There's a patreon link on our site Twitter profile at produce a pod. They're also on Facebook Instagram and Tick Tock, add produce a pod thanks for joining us. Now, we're going to go Boogie on over to the after party on behalf of Billy Victor. Matt tang and myself. Thank you for listening. Have a great week.
